In my third year as solo practitioner I've just signed on my first summer intern, a first-year law student at George Washington University who says she loves organizing things -- just what I need! She will be working at least 20 hours a week and I think it will be a mutually beneficial relationship. In addition to helping me out in the office, I think she will be able to accompany me to some meetings and learn about collaborative family practice in DC.
This month I'll also be attending the graduation of my niece from Emory University Law School. She has graciously invited me to "hood" her during the ceremony for her J.D. degree. Relatives with the same degree can come to the podium and drape the hood over the graduate's academic gown, so it is a great way to involve the family and personalize the ceremony. My niece had a very successful internship with a major New York firm last summer and will be joining them after graduation to pursue her ambition of becoming a corporate lawyer like her grandfather, my late father.
Internships are a particularly appropriate way for students to learn about the practice of law. You can learn about the law in the classroom, but practicing law also involves dealing with clients and running a business. It's a useful form of apprenticeship and I look forward to this new type of collaboration with my first summer intern.
Andrea Hirsch Law
Understanding collaborative divorce
Friday, May 3, 2013
Thursday, April 18, 2013
Men, Women, Mars, Venus, etc.
I made a presentation recently at the Montgomery County Women's Commission, which sponsors a regular series of seminars on divorce and separation. There were about 20 women in attendance for whom divorce is not an academic issue -- they are in the process of getting divorced or thinking about it. The session went well, there were lots of questions and the feedback was positive. I was happy to help, and of course it was not completely altruistic on my part because it is networking like this that can lead to new clients.
I'm often asked because I'm a woman if I more often represent women than men. The answer is no, and in fact my clients are pretty evenly divided between men and women, which I think is true for most attorneys. It's a good thing that representation is not determined by gender, because men would be out of luck, given that the overwhelming majority of divorce attorneys are women.
There is a lot of discussion about why that is so, with explanations ranging from the fact that women have a tougher time in the male-dominated world of corporate law to the Mars-Venus theory that women are more sensitive and caring.
I'm agnostic about most of that. When I got out of law school, I found my first forays into the legal profession stifling and boring. In fact, I fled to cooking school and worked for several years as a pastry chef before returning to the practice of law. When I did come back, I trained for a specialization in family law because it appealed to me as a way to help people at an emotionally trying time in their lives.
Does that mean I fit the Mars-Venus cliche? I also like chick-lit and romantic comedies, but who knows? There are many men who are able and successful divorce lawyers and many women who are hard-nosed corporate lawyers, so I'm not sure professionals are all that easy to categorize.
What I do know is that family law works for me. I find it rewarding and satisfying, especially when alternative forms of dispute resolution like mediation or collaborative help avoid confrontation and ease emotional trauma. To me it's not about men or women, but about people who need help getting through an important transition in their lives.
I'm often asked because I'm a woman if I more often represent women than men. The answer is no, and in fact my clients are pretty evenly divided between men and women, which I think is true for most attorneys. It's a good thing that representation is not determined by gender, because men would be out of luck, given that the overwhelming majority of divorce attorneys are women.
There is a lot of discussion about why that is so, with explanations ranging from the fact that women have a tougher time in the male-dominated world of corporate law to the Mars-Venus theory that women are more sensitive and caring.
I'm agnostic about most of that. When I got out of law school, I found my first forays into the legal profession stifling and boring. In fact, I fled to cooking school and worked for several years as a pastry chef before returning to the practice of law. When I did come back, I trained for a specialization in family law because it appealed to me as a way to help people at an emotionally trying time in their lives.
Does that mean I fit the Mars-Venus cliche? I also like chick-lit and romantic comedies, but who knows? There are many men who are able and successful divorce lawyers and many women who are hard-nosed corporate lawyers, so I'm not sure professionals are all that easy to categorize.
What I do know is that family law works for me. I find it rewarding and satisfying, especially when alternative forms of dispute resolution like mediation or collaborative help avoid confrontation and ease emotional trauma. To me it's not about men or women, but about people who need help getting through an important transition in their lives.
Tuesday, March 26, 2013
Getting on the same page
One of the standard practices in a collaborative case is to use part of the first session to read the collaborative agreement out loud before the parties sign it. This strikes some people as a bit old-fashioned in the digital age but, given the importance of this agreement in making collaborative work, it's really pays to have everyone on the same page. My experience is that people often don't read an agreement through before they sign it, even if they think they did. But it is absolutely crucial for each party to be aware of what they are agreeing to do because if the collaborative attempt fails, the divorcing parties have to go back to square one with a new set of attorneys.
I had a client recently, for example, who balked at taking the time to read through the six-page document. He'd read it, he said, and was ready to sign. But we insisted and as we were reading through it he was quite surprised to find out he would be obliged to disclose certain types of information. Hearing it put like this, he decided maybe collaborative wasn't for him, after all. How much better to come to that realization in the half an hour or so it takes to go through the agreement rather than spending the time and money on hours of collaborative discussion only to have it fall apart when the disclosure is actually requested.
Collaborative is a new type of procedure for alternative dispute resolution, with a different set of rules. It is a procedure based on openness and communication. It just makes a lot of sense to begin that process by getting everyone, literally, on the same page.
I had a client recently, for example, who balked at taking the time to read through the six-page document. He'd read it, he said, and was ready to sign. But we insisted and as we were reading through it he was quite surprised to find out he would be obliged to disclose certain types of information. Hearing it put like this, he decided maybe collaborative wasn't for him, after all. How much better to come to that realization in the half an hour or so it takes to go through the agreement rather than spending the time and money on hours of collaborative discussion only to have it fall apart when the disclosure is actually requested.
Collaborative is a new type of procedure for alternative dispute resolution, with a different set of rules. It is a procedure based on openness and communication. It just makes a lot of sense to begin that process by getting everyone, literally, on the same page.
Monday, March 18, 2013
Workshop
I had the opportunity last week to attend what may be the best professional workshop I've ever taken part in. It was a three-day seminar in Advanced Collaborative Practice taught by Pauline Tesler and her colleague David Fink.
First of all, Pauline, who practices in northern California, is the guru for collaborative law. In terms of the depth and commitment she brings to it, she is just the best. Second, this workshop at University of Maryland Law School in Baltimore had a limited group of just 15 people, including seven of us from the DC practice group, so the sessions were tailored to our specific needs and were enormously beneficial for that reason.
This is not the place to go into detail about the actual workshop. It was mostly techniques and role-playing, so difficult to describe anyway. In essence it was about being able to understand better what your client is saying, and to help the client understand what they want. Because most of us taking part already had a lot of experience in collaborative, it was particularly helpful for us in taking our practice to the next level.
My other takeaway was that I'm more convinced than ever that collaborative really is the way to go for most divorce cases, and it encourages me make that case with new clients who are amenable to it.
First of all, Pauline, who practices in northern California, is the guru for collaborative law. In terms of the depth and commitment she brings to it, she is just the best. Second, this workshop at University of Maryland Law School in Baltimore had a limited group of just 15 people, including seven of us from the DC practice group, so the sessions were tailored to our specific needs and were enormously beneficial for that reason.
This is not the place to go into detail about the actual workshop. It was mostly techniques and role-playing, so difficult to describe anyway. In essence it was about being able to understand better what your client is saying, and to help the client understand what they want. Because most of us taking part already had a lot of experience in collaborative, it was particularly helpful for us in taking our practice to the next level.
My other takeaway was that I'm more convinced than ever that collaborative really is the way to go for most divorce cases, and it encourages me make that case with new clients who are amenable to it.
Tuesday, March 5, 2013
Prenups
I've been getting a steady stream of clients seeking prenuptial agreements, which is good because it means people are finally catching on that prenups are not just for rich people.
There are, in fact, a number of situations where a prenup might be desirable. A prenup is not a bet against a marriage – it is simply part of prudent planning, because no one knows what the future
holds. It is easier to make
decisions when romance is still in full bloom and so forestall long court
battles if things do turn sour. Often, having an honest
discussion about financial and other matters before marriage can strengthen the commitment of the partners.
Some of the major issues that can be covered in a prenup are splitting
assets – the classic case of what is held outside marital assets; who
pays off what debt – especially relevant in this age when school debt can
run into tens of thousands of dollars; one partner makes significantly more than the other; financial
support for a spouse who gives up a career to care for the children, or
any agreement on settlement or alimony. When there are children from a previous marriage, a prenup can be desirable to protect their inheritance.
There are also a range of minor issues like keeping
certain items, such as heirlooms or other favored possessions, even a pet; dividing
a home fairly – particularly if one partner’s existing residence becomes
the family home; or how
long a spouse or kids can remain in the home after a divorce.
There is also something called a “postnup,” though some
things can be more difficult to discuss after you’re married. A postnup might be desirable if a
spouse starts a new business with outside partners, or to clarify ownership if
one spouse acquires property with pre-existing assets.
Sometimes it is just one of the partners who is eager to get a prenup. The other partner in this case should not just go along and sign whatever is put in front of them, however. It is always a good idea to have your own attorney review the agreement. This usually doesn't take long and does not need to cost a lot of money, but you don't want to sign away claims that the law might give to you if it does eventually come to divorce.
Tuesday, February 5, 2013
Conflict resolution
Collaborative divorce tries to be as non-confrontational as possible, but that doesn't mean it's a warm and fuzzy experience. Divorce inevitably entails a certain amount of conflict, and the reason each party has their own lawyer and divorce coach in collaborative is to help work through to a resolution of this clash. And sometimes it is a lot of work, with considerable tension and a certain amount of frustration. But the end result is usually a solution that you can live with because you own it -- you worked for it.
When there's no children or complex financial assets involved, the parties themselves can work out a separation agreement, with or without the assistance of attorneys. There is no need to involve divorce coaches or meet in several sessions to hammer out the tricky parts.
Other cases are well-suited to a mediator, who facilitates communication between the parties and helps them reach an agreement.
But sometimes there are complicated matters that may be disputed, that the professional expertise brought to bear in the collaborative process can be most effective in hashing things out. The lawyers can help their clients understand the jurisprudence on various aspects of custody, child support, spousal support, division of marital assets -- the array of difficult issues that can lead to prolonged litigation. But in collaborative, rather than passing each other in the night in a long series of depositions and disputatious motions, the parties can literally put everything on the table and work through to a settlement both of them consider fair, or at least fair enough. As I discussed in my last post, divorce coaches can help each party keep matters in perspective and not let emotions cloud their judgment too much. And when financial assets are particularly complex, collaborative provides for a neutral financial expert to sit in and use his or her expertise to help run the numbers.
At the end of day, collaborative is a form of alternative dispute resolution -- and each of those words counts. It is an alternative to the litigious confrontation in court, which can sometimes lead to seemingly arbitrary decisions. But there is a dispute, and collaborative provides the tools and expertise needed to face these conflicts head on. And the objective is to reach a resolution. A key component of collaborative is that the divorcing couple will have to find new representation for litigation if they fail to reach a resolution with the lawyers they engage in a collaborative process.
So it's not always fun and it's not always pretty, but collaborative can be an effective way to get the job done.
When there's no children or complex financial assets involved, the parties themselves can work out a separation agreement, with or without the assistance of attorneys. There is no need to involve divorce coaches or meet in several sessions to hammer out the tricky parts.
Other cases are well-suited to a mediator, who facilitates communication between the parties and helps them reach an agreement.
But sometimes there are complicated matters that may be disputed, that the professional expertise brought to bear in the collaborative process can be most effective in hashing things out. The lawyers can help their clients understand the jurisprudence on various aspects of custody, child support, spousal support, division of marital assets -- the array of difficult issues that can lead to prolonged litigation. But in collaborative, rather than passing each other in the night in a long series of depositions and disputatious motions, the parties can literally put everything on the table and work through to a settlement both of them consider fair, or at least fair enough. As I discussed in my last post, divorce coaches can help each party keep matters in perspective and not let emotions cloud their judgment too much. And when financial assets are particularly complex, collaborative provides for a neutral financial expert to sit in and use his or her expertise to help run the numbers.
At the end of day, collaborative is a form of alternative dispute resolution -- and each of those words counts. It is an alternative to the litigious confrontation in court, which can sometimes lead to seemingly arbitrary decisions. But there is a dispute, and collaborative provides the tools and expertise needed to face these conflicts head on. And the objective is to reach a resolution. A key component of collaborative is that the divorcing couple will have to find new representation for litigation if they fail to reach a resolution with the lawyers they engage in a collaborative process.
So it's not always fun and it's not always pretty, but collaborative can be an effective way to get the job done.
Monday, January 28, 2013
Divorce coaches
In one of my current collaborative cases, the divorcing couple opted not to include divorce coaches, saying they didn't think they needed them. Without going into any details, let's just say that the process would undoubtedly be going better if they did have the coaches. The lesson I've learned is to really encourage the partners to take advantage of this kind of professional expertise.
Having mental health professionals take part as divorce coaches is one of the great innovations of the collaborative process, in my opinion. These professionals work as therapists, but their job in a collaborative divorce is not to provide therapy. Rather, they use their background to help their client -- each partner has his or her own coach -- keep the right emotional perspective.
Divorce, obviously, is highly charged with emotions, many of them negative. The divorce coach helps the client to recognize these emotions and to accept them, but not to let them cloud their judgment about what is in their best interests. In traditional litigation, it can be quite amazing how one or the other partner loses all sense of perspective. He or she will spend thousands of dollars extra to oppose some financial provision that at the end of the day is worth far less than the extra money spent -- only so they can lash out at their partner.
Family lawyers often end up spending a lot of time -- a lot of expensive time -- handholding or calming down a client. We do the best we can as amateur psychologists, but we are lawyers, not trained mental health professionals. Therapists who spend years working with clients to help them understand their motivations and fears are so much more skilled at getting to the nub of the matter and helping the client get over some particular emotional hump.
Yes, you pay extra fees to have a divorce coach sit with you at the collaborative sessions, but even as a financial calculation you will almost always save money by moving the process along more quickly and not paying the much higher hourly fee to your attorney for pop psychology. More to the point, these skilled professionals can help you feel better about what you're doing and about the settlement you reach. They are one of the big reasons that collaborative divorce can be a constructive process that lays the basis for a quick healing and a happy future.
Having mental health professionals take part as divorce coaches is one of the great innovations of the collaborative process, in my opinion. These professionals work as therapists, but their job in a collaborative divorce is not to provide therapy. Rather, they use their background to help their client -- each partner has his or her own coach -- keep the right emotional perspective.
Divorce, obviously, is highly charged with emotions, many of them negative. The divorce coach helps the client to recognize these emotions and to accept them, but not to let them cloud their judgment about what is in their best interests. In traditional litigation, it can be quite amazing how one or the other partner loses all sense of perspective. He or she will spend thousands of dollars extra to oppose some financial provision that at the end of the day is worth far less than the extra money spent -- only so they can lash out at their partner.
Family lawyers often end up spending a lot of time -- a lot of expensive time -- handholding or calming down a client. We do the best we can as amateur psychologists, but we are lawyers, not trained mental health professionals. Therapists who spend years working with clients to help them understand their motivations and fears are so much more skilled at getting to the nub of the matter and helping the client get over some particular emotional hump.
Yes, you pay extra fees to have a divorce coach sit with you at the collaborative sessions, but even as a financial calculation you will almost always save money by moving the process along more quickly and not paying the much higher hourly fee to your attorney for pop psychology. More to the point, these skilled professionals can help you feel better about what you're doing and about the settlement you reach. They are one of the big reasons that collaborative divorce can be a constructive process that lays the basis for a quick healing and a happy future.
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